Here is the CC transcript of the recent Mowatt-Larssen interview, unedited and without the addition of the speakers’ identification:
[Embedded video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gc3eLlA6_E (15:55, with CC and capturable CC transcript, 27 Oct 22)]
Former Moscow Station CIA Chief: Why I Believe Rogue CIA Agents Killed Kennedy | Breaking Points
Krystal and Saagar interview former CIA Agent Rolf Mowatt-Larssen about why he believes a few rogue agents plotted with Oswald to kill John F. Kennedy
……by an
Administration being sued because
of their
refusal to release in a timely
fashion
records records related to the
assassination
of JFK let's go ahead and
put this
up on the screen This from NBC
News the
headline is what are they
hiding
group sues Biden and National
Archives
over JFK assassination records
as a
reminder the JFK records act which
was
signed into law by Bill Clinton
required
the document to be made
available
by October of 2017. President
Trump
sort of kicked the ball down the
road to
Biden Biden has continued to
push
forward the date when those records
will be
released raising a lot of
questions
about what it is that they are
so
worried about revealing join us now
we have
a guest who's actually quoted in
that
article who caught my attention
he's the
former CIA agent and actually
former
Moscow station Chief Ralph Moet
Larson
he's also senior fellow at the
Belfor
Center at the Harvard Kennedy
School
great to have you sir welcome
good to
see you sir it's good to be here
thank
you so you had a quote in that
article
and you lay down you know based
on your
long history and experience with
the
agency what you think is the most
plausible
explanation of who was behind
the plot
to kill Kenny I'll read the
your
quote here and then you can sort of
elaborate
you say what I think happened
in a
nutshell is that Oswald was
recruited
into a rogue CIA plot this
group of
three four or five Rogues
decided
their motive was to get rid of
Kennedy
after the Bay of Pigs Cuban
Missile
Crisis because they thought it
was
their patriotic Duty given the
threat
the country was under at the time
and their
views which would be more
Hardline
or more radically
anti-communist
and very extreme
politically
so
um is
that some of what you think might
be
revealed in this document uh this
document
release if they ever ultimately
come out
what do you think could be in
those
documents that would be
interesting
to the public
yeah I
think it's pretty clear that
after 60
years the documents should be
released
with the exception of a few
things
that might just frankly
compromise
something that the people in
the U.S
government should keep secrets
so it's
not an unconditional release
everything
position I have it's after 60
years
the truth belongs to the American
people
the American people should know
the full
truth I think it's worth
pointing
out before I offer any comment
on my
own theories is that our own
government
in 1979 put out a report from
the
house assassination committee
hearings
that had crucial findings that
started
with the idea that there
probably
was an assassination uh a
conspiracy
to to assassinate John F
Kennedy
which means it's not really a
pure
conspiracy theory it's something
our own
government believes that same
report
included the findings that the
U.S
government in all probability was
not
involved whether that would be CIA
the
president FBI or any other arm of
the U.S
government and I think it after
60 years
if the U.S government itself
was
involved in the assassination of
Kennedy
we would all know about it uh
because
we couldn't keep that secret for
for 60
years if it was a government plot
at the
same time the findings included
the uh
the Judgment that it wasn't the
Russians
the Soviets or the Cubans or
organized
crime that set out to kill the
president
so that leaves the theory that
if there
was any sort of conspiracy uh
it
includedly Harvey Oswald but also
probably
a small number less than a
handful
of people from the government
who had
the motivation
the
means and the opportunity to
potentially
kill the president so that's
what I
think the the documents will will
help
shed light on for the serious
researchers
and historians who still
want to
know the full truth to look at
those
that that those documents to see
whether
we can still piece together uh
the
information that would end the
mystery
of who really killed JFK right
and what
leads you though to that
conclusion
and and why do you have
confidence
that it would even be in the
documents
I mean my understanding of the
revelations
of MK Ultra cointelpro the
only
reason we even know about it is
because
documents were basically stolen
by a
bunch of activists which allowed
foia
people to know exactly what to foia
otherwise
it was such a tightly
controlled
program the documents
themselves
would have been effectively
lost to
history into the church
committee
so why should we expect that
60 odd
years later that a similar kind
of
cover-up hasn't happened in that way
well I
don't think there will be
documents
where once the documents are
released
we're going to collectively say
oh wow
that's what happened I think
again
it's going to provide the basis to
to
continue research to finally I'm not
in the
school of uh believers who think
that
this mystery will never be solved
because
it's been so long I think we
have to
keep at it and the reason we
have to
keep at it is the truth is more
important
than anything else what we do
know is
even before the Kennedy
assassination
uh there were things that
CIA uh
itself
failed
to disclose that covered up in
fact it
was a very fascinating uh
studies
of intelligence article in 2013
that
essentially said John McCone who
was the
director of CIA after
um Helms
have been fired by Kennedy
after
the Bay of Pigs
deliberately
withheld
information and deceived the
committee
in the Warren Commission when
they
asked him to testify so what that
proves
is regardless of the reason and I
don't
think it was to cover up any sort
of
knowledge of the Kennedy
assassination
the agency was worried at
the time
about lots of things that could
have had
tangential connections to the
Kennedy
assassination I would call that
the
covert action culture of the time
the
assassination of the attempts to
kill
Castro the dealings with organized
crime to
do that overthrow governments
in Latin
America there were a number of
activities
the CIA was was conducting at
the time
that that the CIA was clearly
trying
to cover up and not disclose in
the
aftermath of the president's
assassination
so I think the reason
probably
unfortunately this would be a
very bad
reason of my judgment to
withhold
documents that the agency or
the US
government are embarrassed about
what the
disclosures of these documents
might
reveal about other things that
would to
me be an unacceptable reason to
keep
this secret we should know at this
point
more more about those activities I
might
point out that at the time Kennedy
was
killed the CIA wasn't even under any
form of
effective Congressional
oversight
that didn't happen until 1979
with the
church commission hearing so
again
it's it's it's the idea of
disclosure
and transparency is a duty
and if
there's a a strong extenuating
reason
why these documents should not be
revealed
I think it would be wise forget
about
the legality and the law it would
be wise
for the U.S president to
indicate
exactly what that would mean
that
would that be that would cause him
to
decide not to release these documents
that
that belong to the American people
frankly
not to the CIA well and the
current
stance has hardly been
convincing
to the American public a
majority
of whom still believe that
there is
more to the story than the
official
government narrative here and
part of
what makes you so interesting is
that you
have so many years of
experience
with the agency could you
speak to
how what you learned about how
the
agency operates how that informs
your
theory of what you think the most
plausible
scenario is here
yeah
that's the question that got me
interested
in this I I like so many
Americans
uh I'm very interested in what
really
happened I think it's a piece of
our
history we need to know I didn't
become
even uh suspicious that there
might be
a a explanation where three to
five
people might have conspired to work
with
Oswald to kill Kennedy until I
examine
that as a possibility and I
realized
wait a minute if if there was a
small
conspiracy of a very few number of
people
who could keep the secret for 60
years
and take the secret to their grave
be it
fully witting collaborators with
Oswald
in the plot
um then
I I thought the most likely
explanation
would be some CIA officers
at the
time this is very this really
pains me
to even suggest this and I'm
not
saying I can I certainly can't prove
it I
think it's something that needs to
be fully
explored is the idea that it
looks
kind of like a CIA operation in
terms of
the motive that would be the
president
uh betrayed for example uh the
all the
people the CIA worked with at
the time
to overthrow Castro at the Bay
of Pigs
when he called out to Bay of
Pigs uh
people would say well that's no
motive
to kill the president but it
might
you have to add to that perhaps
some of
these maybe same people who
thought
again a very few small number of
people
who thought that the uh you the
president
gotten over his head with with
uh the
Russians in the in the Cuban
Missile
Crisis and and there were civil
rights
problems at the time and the
country
was highly polarized I know now
we're
living in a time when the
country's
almost as polarized as it was
in the
1960s but it was a time AI when
there
were extreme views on all sides
about
the politics about what was
happening
in the country and it's not
unimaginable
that a
very small number of people
thought
they were being Patriots if they
were to
do something this monstrous
again
this is not something I accuse the
agency
of or think the agency had any
direct
knowledge of but I when you look
at the
key officials then and afterwards
even
presidents later like Richard Nixon
and
Lyndon Johnson and others they all
suspected
there was a conspiracy I think
the most
disappointing thing to me as an
American
because
I serve the people first and
then I
think of myself as a CIA offer
I'm a
Citizen First the most
disappointing
thing about this is our
leaders
we couldn't trust our leaders to
tell us
the full truth we couldn't trust
our
leaders to ensure that we knew the
full
truth they wanted to spare us from
the
truth and I have never in my
lifetime
been comfortable with the idea
that our
leaders should know something
that in
some way at some point the
American
people also don't know yeah
what
impact do you think that has had on
um the
public because even if like
regardless
of what really happened you
have a
majority of Americans who think
the
government is lying to them I mean
what do
you think this is the result
from
that
I'm so
happy you asked me that question
and we
didn't do any sort of rehearsal
on all
this so I was wondering where you
were
going to come at it from and this
to me is
one of the crucial questions
and the
reason I agreed to do the
interview
um I'm
not here to prove I think there's
a
conspiracy of CI officers did that is
my fear
that is my concern and that like
other
conspiracies of that kind small
group of
people work together on to kill
the
president is is we should still
examine
thoroughly but the reason why we
should
release the documents is that
we're at
historic levels of mistrust of
our
government in general
usually
because the government withhelds
things
from us
that we
have a right to know that we
need to
sanction and it hasn't just been
in the
60s and 70s things like if you
remember
Watergate it took the deputy
director
of the FBI Mark felt
to be as
we now know deep throat
Woodward
and uh key source for Watergate
to
topple Nixon in other words an acting
serving
deputy director of the FBI was a
pivotal
source of the truth so that we
could
take down a corrupt president who
had
broke broken the law and and in this
case
with historic levels of mistrust in
the
government I why add to that why not
explain
if you're going to withhold
information
after 60 years when a law
has been
passed to release it
at least
explain
justify
why you would continue to take
that
position instead of just release
the
information I would accept that if
someone
got up and said there's some
very
specific things a few documents
we're
not going to release but here's
all the
rest of it that would be a much
more
understandable position because if
the
government is at a position in a
historic
period where I think the US
government
writ large but particularly
the
National Security part of the
government
defense department CIA FBI
Etc and
the White House need to re you
know
reinstill faith
with the
American people that we're
being
transparent and we don't use
secrecy
to hide the truth yeah that's
really
well said small step in that in
that
direction
um well
thank you so much for taking
some
time with us we're really grateful
great to
speak with you sir we should
have you
back on soon appreciate it
thank
you guys absolutely
thank
you guys so much for watching we
really
appreciate it thank you for
supporting
our work uh counterpoints is
up
tomorrow we're excited to see what
they do
I love the fact that we got four
shows a
week now so you guys are really
helping
us out I mean we have some
hiring
that we're doing right now which
is
literally only possible because of
all the
premium support that you guys
have
shown us we can't thank you enough
link is
down in the description
otherwise
we're going to see you all
next
week love y'all enjoy counterpoints
tomorrow
and we'll see you on Monday
cable
news is ripping us apart dividing
the
country making it impossible to
function
as a society and making it
possible
to know just what is true and
what is
false but the good news is they
are
failing and they know it that is why
we're
building something new a new
mainstream
a healthier one something
more
trustworthy something that we are
going to
need in one of the most pivotal
times in
American history we are
building
up here for the midterms for
the
upcoming presidential election but
we need
your help so if you can help us
out by
becoming a premium member today
at breakingpoints.com we're
trying to
change
America for the better and the
entire
world so what are you waiting for
guys go
to breakingpoints.com and
sign
up and
help us build a new mainstream