12 Reasons Why Oswald Wasn't the 6th Floor Shooter
JFKcountercoup Thursday, March 24, 2022
1) There is no evidence Oswald ever bought or owned bullets or ever shot that rifle at any time.
J. r. Bonner: you buy them with cash and don't get a receipt . i do it all the time till this day .
Frank Badalson - J.r. Bonner this nonsense of buying bullets...and having to prove someone bought bullets.......is the most ludicrous thought one can have....not surprising he thinks this way. In no case in history has it been required to prove that a suspect bought bullets for their gun that they shot someone with. Absolutely a most profound poorly informed remark.
BK: Well, former FBI agent Bill Turner said that “when investigating hired killings and political assassinations it’s not who pulled the trigger that counts, but who bought the bullets.”
Daniel Girard: There is no evidence he did not either. However, there is a testimony from a Dr Homer Wood stating that he saw Oswald practicing in the Sportdome Gun Range. So, if this story is true, it means that Oswald must have bought bullets somewhere at some time. But then, this is no proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
Girard Also says: There is no evidence he did not either. However, there is a testimony from a Dr Homer Wood stating that he saw Oswald practicing in the Sportdome Gun Range. So, if this story is true, it means that Oswald must have bought bullets somewhere at some time. But then, this is no proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
Vicente S. Velasco - William Kelly, I read your article and your arguments are weak. Here is a rebuttal for your first five points: The first point is very weak. As it applied to Oswald, there was no law or regulation that prohibited him from purchasing ammunition. He could buy the ammo from anywhere it was available. There would be no paper records of the purchase unlike that of firearms. He could have just bought it locally and there would be no record thereof.
2) Oswald's brother Robert wrote in his book - "If Lee did not practice with that rifle in the days and weeks before the assassination he didn't take the shots that killed the president and wounded governor Connally." And the WC says the rifle remained in the blanket in the Paines garage from the time it was brought back from New Orleans until the morning of the assassination, and was never used for practice.
Daniel Girard: The correct phrase in the book is:” If Lee did not practice with that rifle in the days and weeks before the assassination, then I would say that he didn't take the shots that killed the president and wounded governor Connally.” Robert says this because of the ”eagerness by the Commission to dismiss the one group of witnesses who give us a clear idea of when and where and how Lee learned to use his new rifle with the precision he displayed on November 22”. And the WC has no witness to claim the rifle did not move from the Paines garage before November 22. But then, this is no proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
Vincent Velasco: Another weak argument. Whether Oswald found time to practice on his rifle is irrelevant. He could have just done some dry-firing on his rifle to work out the kinks, and squeeze off some rounds in some secluded area. Note that he bought the rifle because he wanted to kill General Walker and would not have seen the necessity of using it until he read about the motorcade by the 20th of November. And there was no doubt in Robert Oswald's mind that his brother did it.
3) Both persons - the only persons to eyeball the package Oswald put in the back seat of Frazers car, Fraser and his sister said the package was too small to contain the rifle, even when broken down.
Since neither Randle nor Frazier did precisely measure the package and the rifle, it is difficult to ascertain. Randle said the package could have measured “more than 2 feet”. This is quite crude and not explored enough in her testimony. And Frazier “did not pay much attention to it” to be able to measure its length. But then, this is no proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
VV: Buell Frazier did not pay much attention to the package and accepted Oswald's curtain rod explanation without question. How could he know the exact dimensions of the bag?
4) When breaking for lunch the floor laying crew raced down on both elevators and Oswald told them to send one back up for him, clearly indicating his intention to return to the lower floors.
DG: Since both elevators were still on the upper floors after the shooting, this is an indication that Oswald did not use either of them. But then, this is no proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
5) Shelley saw Oswald on the first floor at 12 noon standing by the telephone, as if waiting for a call.
DG: This, if true, happened 30 minutes before the shooting, therefore, it is no proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
6) Oswald said that while reading a newspaper in the Domino Room on the first floor, where his jacket was later found on a window sill, he noticed two black workers walk past who were on the way to the 5th floor. They later testified they did walk past the Dominio Room, so how did Oswald know they went by if he wasn't there?
DG: The two black workers denied having seen Oswald anywhere after 11:55. So you have the choice between believing Oswald, who pathologically lied during interrogation, or two witnesses who had nothing to gain to lie. And Oswald could have deposited his jacket in the morning. The fact that he did not pick it up after the shots shows how hurried he may have been to leave the building. Still, this is no proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
7) A secretary said she saw Oswald on the lower floors at 12:15, when people on the street saw a man with a rifle on the 6th floor, a man who could not have been Oswald if he was on the lower floors.
DG: Mrs Arnold said 12:15, then 12:25. And don’t forget that she said she “caught what she thought of a fleeting glimpse of someone looking like Oswald”. In any case, she was standing outside and had her view to the inside of the building completely blocked by the people standing in the entrance of the TSBD. She likely saw Lovelady because he was wearing a similar pattern-checked shirt. And, even if she saw someone she thought was Oswald at 12:15, this is no proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
8) After watching the motorcade from the curb, TSBD VP Ochis Campbell told a reporter that when reentering the building he saw Oswald standing next to the storage cabinet under the stairs to the second floor.
DG: This is from the New York Herald Tribune article called “Capture: It’s all over now” which contains a mashup of early reports about the assassination (no reporter names mentioned), full of mistakes. And Campbell’s report is in direct contradiction with all his other statements. This cannot be used in trying to establish that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
9) If Oswald or anyone ran down the back stairs from the 6th floor they would have had to pass Dougherty on the 5th floor landing and the secretaries supervisor on the 4th floor landing, but didn't.
DG: If Oswald or anyone ran down the back stairs from the 6th floor they would have had to pass Dougherty on the 5th floor landing and the secretaries supervisor on the 4th floor landing, but didn't.
Dougherty’s testimony is so full of hesitations and contradictions, it cannot be considered in any serious analysis of the case. And Styles and Adams testimonies indicate that they went down the stairs later than Oswald may have done. So, this cannot be considered as proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
DG: When DPD officer Baker arrived on the 2nd floor following Roy Truly, he noticed Oswald through the window of the closed door that led to the lunchroom and investigated. If Oswald was the 6th floor shooter and came down those steps, he would have had to go through that door, but didn't or Truly, ahead of Baker would have seen him moments before Baker saw him through the window. But Truly didn't see him because Oswald entered the hallway to the lunchroom from the secretaries office, the same way he left with a coke.
10) When DPD officer Baker arrived on the 2nd floor following Roy Truly, he noticed Oswald through the window of the closed door that led to the lunchroom and investigated. If Oswald was the 6th floor shooter and came down those steps, he would have had to go through that door, but didn't or Truly, ahead of Baker would have seen him moments before Baker saw him through the window. But Truly didn't see him because Oswald entered the hallway to the lunchroom from the secretaries office, the same way he left with a coke.
DG: One easier explanation is that Truly did not look in that direction, he was more focussed on going up the stairs. Still, this is no proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
11) If Oswald had been the 6th floor gunman, blew the president's head open, ran across the 6th floor, ditched the rifle, ran down the steps in less than 90 seconds, he would have been hyperventilating and out of breath, as Marina said he was an hour after the Walker shooting. But Truly, Baker and a secretary who saw him said Oswald was cool, calm and collected, and not like anyone who just killed someone and ran across a floor and down 4 flights of steps.
DG: If Oswald had been the 6th floor gunman, blew the president's head open, ran across the 6th floor, ditched the rifle, ran down the steps in less than 90 seconds, he would have been hyperventilating and out of breath, as Marina said he was an hour after the Walker shooting. But Truly, Baker and a secretary who saw him said Oswald was cool, calm and collected, and not like anyone who just killed someone and ran across a floor and down 4 flights of steps.
Numerous people have recreated Oswald’s flight from the sniper’s nest to the 2nd floor lunchroom, taking time to “ditch the rifle” in less than 90 seconds, less than 60 seconds actually. Without running. And none was “out of breath”. This cannot be considered as a proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting because he had plenty of time to get to the lunchroom before Baker saw him.
12) Both eye witnesses to the 6th floor gunman said he wore a white shirt, while Oswald wore brown.
DG: Eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate, this has been proven in several experiments involving dozens of people seeing the same event perpetrated by the same individual but could not be unanimous in his description. But then, in plain daylight, if you would happen to look at someone hiding in the shadow of a window and wearing a white T-shirt, this is what would have been visible. But then, eyewitnesses did see a gunman at the window of the 6th floor. It could have been Oswald so this cannot be considered as proof that Oswald .was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
VV he did wear a white t-shirt . that day . he was arrested with it on
BK: A white undershirt, beneith the brown open colar shirt. So he took the brown shirt off to take the shots, then put it back on while he was running down the steps? That’s Vinnie Travolta dancing around the facts.
13) Bonus item - Amos Eunis, one eye witnesses, said numerous times in his short WC testimony, that the 6th floor gunman had a very distinctive bald spot, a characteristic not shared with Oswald.
DG: See previous item 10 about eyewitness testimony. This cannot be considered as proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
14) Brennan, the other eyewitnesses, told a policeman that if he saw the gunman again he would recognize him. Standing at the bottom of the front stairs next to a police car Brennan saw, recognized an d pointed out to a policeman the black workers from the 5th floor window, who were taken in for questioning. Moments later however, he didn't recognize Oswald as the 6th floor shooter as he walked out the door, went down the steps and walked east on Elm.
DG: That is because he did not look at him, so simple. Yet, this cannot be considered as proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
15) Going against those who claim he did it for historical recognition, Oswald denied committing the deed and told his brother not to believe "the so called evidence," and I think we should take that advice.
DG: Yes, we should take advice from everything Oswald has said during his interrogation, should we not? And you seem to forget that Robert Oswald is convinced his brother is guilty. Still, this cannot be considered as proof that Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.
BK Notes: Those who continue to maintain that Oswald was the lone shooter and there was no conspiracy must resolve each of these items, while if one is correct, Oswald is exonerated. And these are some of the reasons why most people do not believe Oswald was the lone assassin or the assassin at all and was what he claimed to be – a Patsy.
i have limited knowledge
BK: We recognize that.
but i'll give your 12 questions a try .
2. oswald's brother said he did it . there's no evidence he didn't practice with it .
3. frazier said he didn't pay much attention to the package .
true frazier didn't believe the rifle would fit in the package .
4. clearly to have the elevator to go down to escape and not be seen on the stairs .
5. president was shot at 12:30
what he was doing at 12
isn't relevant .
why is this relevant ?
6. he had been working there for months , you do a normal routine . he knew that routine . and he knew they would be there .
7. which secretary are you referring to?
you'll have to be more specific . are you saying the one that saw him with a coke ?
8. how can he be under the cabinet when the dpd saw him in the lunchroom at the coke machine ?
was this after wards?
time?
9. he took the elevator you were crying about
in #4.
10. truly was one the first floor when baker came in
neither could see oswald on the second floor or how he got there .
11. no he wouldn't be out of breath , they've done this several times in re enactments . he had plenty of time .
12.
so i answered yours
let's see if you can answer mine .
who's rifle was found on the sixth floor of the tsbd that day ?
BK: Oswalds
2. was lho an employee
of the tsbd and at work that day ?
BK: Yes
who's palm print was found on the rifle barrel of the found gun on the 6 th floor that day ?
BK: Oswalds
when oswald was arrested what clothing did he have on in his mug shot?
He was arrested with a brown open collar shirt.
brennan saw oswald fire the rifle .
his description was pretty spot on .
BK: Brennan didn’t ID Oswald.
how did he see oswald if he was in the lunch room?
was he in on the frame up?
why did oswald leave the building and go home and get a pistol
BK: He suspected somethi ng was up. If he knew he would need it why didn’t he take it with him to work?
who was alek hidell ?
BK: One of Oswald’s aliases
who is lee harvey oswald ?
BK: You tell me.
how did the bullets match up to the rifle ?
BK: The shells matched up to the rifle, only the magic bullet and the unspent bullet were left.
how did the casings match up to the rifle?
BK: You mean the shells? They had been run through that chamber at some point in time.
how did the casings match to the pistol ?
BK: I don’t know.
Why don’t all conspiracy theories come to the same conclusion?
BK: I don’t study silly conspiracy theories, I am trying to resolve a homicide.
why is there 25 different ones and only one ln ?
BK: Because only one of them is correct.
